131204 Comment To The Guardian -
Timor-Leste spy case Edition
Retired
Australian Secret Intelligence Service agent and wife searched in
Canberra while lawyer's office is raided, say lawyers
Katharine Murphy
and Lenore Taylor
theguardian.com,
Tuesday 3 December 2013 20.20 AEST
What I wrote in response to one
commenter:
painfulreality
03 December 2013 11:27pm
Its been a
police state for at least 20 years.......... good to see 1 or 2% open
their eyes .... a little.
Everyone makes
a choice what to see.............
KingCommo to painfulreality
04 December 2013 12:52am
20 years?
My reckoning is that we - assuming
you mean 'Astrayliar' - have been a police state at least since 26th
January 1808!
And the USA began it's invasion here
after WW2, making yes, a major incursion in 1996.
Me no friend of the maximum
consumption USA, but the jury's still out as to whether the Yanks can
be more egalitarian than the passed masters of the British 'lords of
sick'?
Without a Revolution in the USA,
'twill be no better, and likely worse.
And, what I wrote but didn't post;
20 years?
My reckoning is that we - assuming
you mean 'Astrayliar' - have been a police state at least since 26th
January 1808!
The only difference to today is that
now the American corporate crime cartels and gangs, working for the
freemasons, own our police forces, and governments.
Perhaps why Rupert Murdoch got
himself an American passport?
As to who ASIO is acting out on
behalf of, well..., the corporations of course, Woodside, as one
comment suggested, but clearly the multinationals run from the the
upper-political-classes of the USA, UK and Eurape, and our 1% in
Australia, ie., all of the world's 'maximum consumption' 1st world.
Then, what I
posted as my own comment
Longer ago than these latest exposures
of spying have many known the world's corporations run governments
and spy agencies and all manner of culture.
Most of it, for around 3 centuries.
And there's an anonymous clique of
super-elites - ancient dynasties - behind the boards, cults and
schools of the elite corporations, especially of the most
ecologically-destructive.
The duty and work cut-out for humanity
from now on, is to discern corporations from governments, and to do
battle in that arena, to assert our Democratic structures where they
matter. On nationals scales, but also, now, primarily on the
planetary scale.
Media, and thus those who glean
insights - or deceits - on such affairs - the Readers/Commentators,
Public/Voters, Dissenters/PROTESTERS! - have to correct their focus,
thinking and reportage/comments to seeing the whole basket of
'economic development', and the concomitant over-resourcing of the
natural environment, thus, the theft of a sustainable future from the
'life-on-earth' bunch, and the mal-distribution of resources, has
next to nothing to do with 'government' but is sponsored, exactly as
these filthy arrogant spy agencies are, by the insane auto-growth,
as-in 'self-perpetuating', competitive corporations.
Our role as Democratic Citizens, is to
bring to account in every way,
- from the bribes they pay their
employees - so often YOU AND ME
- to the bribes, threats and
blackmailing they issue upon politicians
- and universities, inventers, et al,
the corporate manipulation of the
Democratic Processes of Good, Honest Government.
This goes also - and is crucial to see
- into the whole curricula of our schools and universities, as well
as the general 'trends' more manipulated than we know, of our
cultures and social 'norms'. As well, most of our 'ambitions' and
career aspirations.
Energy and transport - and
communications-technology - being right up there as priorities to
correct.
We have to get to the root of why these
church schoolies run to being spies in the 1st place, and why they're
so ready to be unconscionable bastards against the law, against the
well-being of the species and against the sustainability of the
world's delicate environment.
'Educated-ignorance' being
part-and-parcel of religious school indoctrination - FOR THE
CORPORATION.
So, while it may appear off-topic,
TAXING RELIGIONS has more Merit and relevance, and gets to the root
of our woes in these international spying scandals more than we may
1st realize, if we are to take the more intelligent, passive,
political path instead of war.
Can today's 'Opposition', other parties
and Independents take TAXING RELIGIONS up as a Priority Policy?
Hohoho....
And more comments from others, with
my add-ons
Longerenong
03 December 2013 10:46pm
Did Howard just go
in there just for the oil?
In the light of
this spying Howard's reason for going into Timor in the first place
has to come under review.
When was Howard
told that there was massive oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea.
Did he go into East Timor to protect people from slaughter? Or did he
and Downer send our troops into danger to secure some oil. It did
seem out of character for Howard to go to East Timor to stand up for
human rights.
Previous to this
I'd only given Howard ticks on only two things, gun control and East
Timor. Now it appears I have to take one of his ticks away and
replace it with a big cross.
The stakes must be
high for Brandis to undertake this raid especially during a time
parliament is sitting. Who is Brandis protecting and can we expect
him to do his normal 'no comment' when asked in question time.
But we do need to
know about all events surrounding East Timor, the oil and Howard and
Downer. Brandis ain't going to help he will only hinder to protect
his mates. Criminal and shocking.
Longerenong Longerenong
03 December 2013 10:59pm
Maybe I need to
rethink Howard's tick for gun control also. With accusations that his
Father and Grandfather were linked to the ' New Guard' an
organisation that was prepared to trash democracy to gain control.
It's possible he
wanted guns out of citizens hands if they ever had to protect
themselves from Government.
I'm vary glad that
the nation of East Timor was created and guns have been removed from
our streets.
However I have to
wonder now what were Howard's motives for these actions. As he stated
them himself or like Brandis here stated as in the national interest
but really in his own interest.
KingCommo to Longerenong
04 December 2013 2:13am
We've been doing
the bidding and warring for the British and Euro IMF since 1788,
Cobber.
As I recall, We
sent Aussie troops into Timor L'Este to stop their slaughter.
But no doubt, as
our corporation er - sorry our govt, have been talking in backrooms
with the Indons, over the resources right across the region for
decades, there was some conspiracy between them, and likely mostly to
weaken Timor L'Este's want for Independence, which may've involved a
'staged' Indon invasion of Timor L'Este.
But Howard was
aware that there was a massive public call for us to stop the
carnage. I'd say he would've done nothing if we were lax.
While we sit back,
the whole region will descend into violence, war, and possibly even
US-controlled Martial Law here, unless we begin mass protests against
the whole federal parliamentary structure, now.
But it's outside
of any 23 million's power.
It's global, and
has to be very soon.
And another comment from mememe, to
a commenter who basically accused Jose Ramos Horta, of being wantonly
corrupt...
Do you really
think People like the Timor L'Este leadership are willingly
'corrupt'?
Their level, in
such a vulnerable nation, cannot be classed as 'corrupt'.
Horta and Gusmou
and others, went through the most harrowing personal crises during
the Indon's invasion, because of these threats from outside,
including from Australia, and for the decisions they were forced to
make.
They had no option
but to accept 'bakshish' as-it-were, and as little as it is, because
to not would have meant the larger powers, the Indons and the US, via
our own fascists, would simply have bombed the life out of their
People, and taken the booty regardless.
Exactly as the
British East India Company - the IMF - rode to being the world's most
powerful corporate-government - ie., the British Empire.
As it is in Timor,
they chose the Honorable Route, of staying somewhat poorer, rather
than accepting the bullshit bribes of the major powers, of becoming
'rich' in imported material crap, thus shallow in soul, to the
detriment of their islands' ecology, and to the detriment of the
Spirit of their People, as against being a truly 'Rich' people, with
Wisdom enough to know that their ways, culture and Spirit is superior
and of far greater value than our western material garbage and the
soulless lives we ourselves resort to.
West Papua is
fighting the same war against western materialist shallowness of
soul.
Something, we
mainstream Australians have not the 1st clue about, being owned for
225 years, by Mammon.
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