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UKRAINE Ongoings.....
+David Fillingham Pls stop referring to
Hitler without acknowledging all we, esp., of the west, know about
the plans Hitler, is incomplete?
The plans Hitler followed, were laid in
the west [by the British elite], and he was out to kill not Judaism
but christianity.
He, like many, realize christianity is
the exact antithesis to the individual's sovereignty of their own
soul.
Poland was/is under the influence of
catholicism, and was in fact something both the nazis and the
socialists STILL know as a devil of a culture.
You, of the west, immersed and steeped
in christian culture, may find it impossible to accept, if only for
the still alive activities of the extreme right christians, to go
after anyone in the US who talks christianity down.
But aside from that, you gotto also
admit that the whiteguy western, judeo-christian peoples, have been
off the Path for millennia, so all the wars of recorded history are
results of all sides being 'lost'.
As the OT tells us about our supposed
ancestors, we're 'fallen' since the supposed 'fall from Eden'.
'Irrational', 'egoistic', unwise,
rahrahrah...
But..., Alexey did take.his
interpretation of both sides, a bit too laughably far?!
The 'Collective Mind' though, is far
too underestimated by the egoistic vest.
The 'vest' fails there, to the world's
egomaniacal demise.
+David Fillingham If Chechnya and
Dagestan, et al, are Muslim-dominated, and if Turkey is their only
option for support, then they are not as informed as they need to be
to make a 'safe' decision, if it came to separation from the Russian
protective umbrella.
Turkey is not nearly as stable
internally, and in terms of falling pro-Islamic population, and, in
it's parliament, to be any useful backer of those south-east Russian
'claimed' states.
And, as Turkey is vying for a place in
the terribly unstable, politically faltering and flawed, - ie.,
terminally corrupt - EU, Chechnya and the others would be crazy
siding with or looking for protection from Turkey.
In the end, Russia is the far safer,
more egalitarian 'culture' than the increasingly anti-Muslim EU.
If Turkey decided, stupidly to 'invade
those areas', against Russia, it would be relying on the EU, aka
NATOs firepower as backup, if only in the knowledge they're together,
which would incite the non-EU mobs, Russia and others, to be a bit
pissed-off, and also annoy the Chechnyans and other Muslim
micro-states.
A broader view, for the Chechnyans and
the rest of the Muslims, is that Russia is the better bet.
Besides, as usual, a majority are not
terrorism-inclined, so it's likely, a majority of Chechnyans would
not want to cause another war against Russia?
And, in the end, Russia is better than
the EU, for Muslims and for that general Caucasian region.
The Caucasus has surely to realize that
every aspect of EU expansion[-ism], is totally centred around the EU
super-elite's insatiable, and thus, quite insane grab for evermore
power. Territorial power.
There is not one jot of them being in
the slightest interested in the well-being of the Caucasian Peoples.
With Turkey craving [again, it's all
'an elite thing'] for EU membership, the Caucasus is mad to go that
path.
And, who knows whether the expansionist
USA has not got Turkey on it's list for destabilization and invasion,
as they've done in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, the Gulf States, Syria and
now Ukraine?
Do you, David work in the US PentaCon?
Do Feminists Blame The Wrong People
Thread on G+
Karan
Dhingra
Versus
(Ethics & morality) - Yesterday 12:41 PM
Do
feminists blame the wrong people?
My
opinion is that some aspects of feminism are a little stupid and
require a bit more research.
In
America, women earn 77c for every dollar a man earns. This is not
taking into account the difference in occupations, the difference in
the level of experience in the job. Not taking into account that
women tend to study more arts degrees than more economically valuable
degrees like engineering or commerce or accounting. Or anything that
is actually required to have higher pay.
Look
into the real research and you find that women who have similar
levels of experience, similar levels of educational attainment as men
and you find women earn 98c for every dollar ON AVERAGE. Some cases
you find higher. Statistically speaking, that difference is
insignificant.
And
another thing, let’s assume that a woman is hired due to sexist
reasons by the employer. The last thing you want is for a woman to
earn the same amount as men, because if the employer IS actually
sexist and has to pay the same amount for women AND men, then the
employer is most likely going to hire the male. If you want the woman
to get that job instead then shouldn't it be more costly for the
employer to hire men? He should be charged for discriminating in his
selection process.
So
I highly disagree when the argument for things like the wage gap is
because of discriminatory reasons.
Here's
a link which kind of explains my view.
ME...!
[THE BLOKE in this thread! Hohoho!]
From another commenters comment: "...although
I suggested men are more chauvinistic when they are with other men
in work related or powerful situations."
ME...
I'm
a set misogynist, but only for ongoing experiences of maltreatment by
a matriarchal cult, lifelong, so I admit my view is biased.
But
John, leaving the rest of the comments out, your last one isn't
correct. 'Chauvinism' may be male, but the same biases are rampant
amongst women when they're in a group, in workplaces or social. You
must know that?
Women,
with thousands of years of built up [understandable] antipathy to
dominating males, no less egoistic than us, and when embittered
["Hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned!" Shakespeare]
which seems always to be held-in, just beneath the surface, and
grouping-up, manifest a bond like nothing 90% of men do, and it
becomes utterly ruthless, especially when they also acquire some
amount of power, especially financial.
It's
these reasons I'm adamant in politics, against any rise of say,
Hillary Clinton, to such an important chair, as President of the USA.
I have a lot of Respect for her, as a person. But I've already
witnessed the anger in women when the Dem's in the US were choosing
between her and Obama.
As
said, with women, with the rise and rise of the 'feminist movement'
deem it their right to push and put men down, when men can simply be
assuming a 'friendly' demeanor.
[The
'feminist movement' isn't something I'm so fully against, but that
unloosed power soon becomes out of control with them, until, as we
witness all the time, they're waiting and baiting for men to be men,
and take that risk of 'saying a wrongy', thus being accused of....!
etc. Agreed, lots of males are sexist, and of the school which
assumes too much in terms of sexual advances and the kind. But women
are so often bitter, and become merciless when the opportunity arises
for them to be able to strike, especially at 'innocent' pray.
But
blah, now, for my own experiences, I'll never trust them again.
Physically
and sexually [Derrr?], I think they're gorgeous!
But
there's heaps inside them which is venomous and very very ruthless.
A
dick chimed in merely so it could get above the shit it dwells
beneath [30 seconds of fame], so I included it's stupid comment, to make clear what I
replied for...
sim
ost Yesterday 6:13 PM
+Max
Cook That is sexism. What I find a bit strange is that you are sexist
because women are "venomous and very very ruthless." For a
start, "thousands of years of built up (understandable)
antipathy to dominating males" how can people hold a grudge for
that long?! And a lot of things you have described are true in men
as well.
Me...
+si
ost Ooowh? Bitchy!
Trying
to label me with the 'sexism' bit, ignores what I said about being
victim to a matriarchal cult.
You're
clearly a softcock spoiled catholic [?], [with a bitch - are you
gay?] deploying the typical denigration against someone who
recognizes 'Politically Correct' [PC] terminologies as dangerous to
REALPolitiks.
Your
"What I find a bit strange is that you are sexist because women
are "venomous and very very ruthless" is not what I wrote.
You're
a dick, for deliberately reading what YOU WANTED TO READ [stomp
stomp, MUMMY? HE WUZ ..... rah rah rah]
As
is evident, or does your mind not function correctly, I wrote:
"I'm
a set misogynist, but only for ongoing experiences of maltreatment by
a matriarchal cult, lifelong, so I admit my view is biased.'
So,
please, piss off and find another honest person to shit on.
There
ya go, willy! A reply from a monarch! D'you feel taller?
[Ooowh?
I didn't know he was a king!]
It
came back, actually apologizing [yeah] but I couldn't be bothered.
Typically, again, he didn't refer to what I did say, but merely
sought to grab some more of my airspace. So - conclusion about si
ost - 'a piss weak creep”.
More
ME - THE Bloke!
I
think the 'equality' debate is more egoism [who started it, another
Q?], and solves nothing.
There's
differences in each of us, and within each gender. Trying to 'win'
such a debate shows the shallow and troubled psychology of those who
enter the debate with the desire to 'prove' they or the others, are
'equal' or superior.
This
is puerile, typically white, western, 'liberated' bullshit.
There's
no question that other cultures had the male-domination factor, and
that it often became excessive.
But
there are also, or were also, cultures where there was a
well-founded, deeply ingrained and entirely mature and wise
acceptance that there ARE vital differences between the genders, and
that yes, in 'primitive' cultures, so, more Pure Cultures, it was a
given that the two had places and roles perfectly suited to each.
That
we bicker about the 'sameness' or not, now, shows more that our
culture is severally off the Path, and rooted.
Therefore,
while we avoid THAT far more pertinent and fundamental issue -
getting to the core of the cultural maladies - this type of chatter
only ads to the air-and-cyber pollution, and, as so often results,
further disharmony less resolution and more warlike attitudes.
Examples
'why I became a misogynist'. Arrogant, unreasonable, 'faith' [read
witchcraft] full women, with perverse secreted 'feminist' religious
agendas, and my intelligent refusal to acquiesce.
AND
another topic/thread/conversation on G+
from
Maya
Lara
Thinkers
(Discussion) - Yesterday 10:15 PM
agree
or disagree ...
Me...,
More
than ever since everyone reckons they're really clever witches!
Gee!
Thanks Harry!
And
another ME...
What
too many don't recognize, perhaps, nay-usually because they're too
self-absorbed in their own morass of thoughts, that 'Listening'
really is an Art.
And,
that it actually takes some lessons, to recognize the things [in the
ever-active mind] which are always jumping in - to our ears - so
stopping what is said by others from penetrating, and to actually
still the mind, so the speaker is being heard.
Our
culture, is so astray, kids are rarely given the correct directions
about this, and it's crucial like most learning, to get it right from
the very beginning.
'Short
attention spans' root - the child's bad start.
Egomania
- what "I'M" thinking is more valuable to MEMEME!
Etc.
AND
another.... from MEEEE!
I
wrote at the top,
"More
than ever since everyone reckons they're really clever witches!
Gee!
Thanks Harry!"
'Magic',
'witchcraft', resorting to the occult, has more negatives to it than
most today, of the west, realize.
There
is no doubt that it does get in the way of, in this thread,
'listening' to another, but it seriously impedes learning too.
Once
the occult is entered, a scary world we have always too be very awake
and alert in, subtle energies are always on our psychic perimeters,
ready to get into our mind, and really fuck things around.
And
one 'way' for our mind to be vulnerable, is to be 'open' as-in
receptive, [derr?] which is how we also gotto be to learn, take stuff
in, even just to simply hear others, etc.
And,
we're vulnerable too, if we are inconfident.
So
this latest 'trend' or 'mode' [thanks Harry! But, he's not it.
THANKS JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY, for hiding it all from us!!!] of how we
march through the world, excessing in overconfidence, seems necessary
to ward-off evil, etc., but it also blocks out what is being said by
others.
In
places of learning, or when dad says "no" even, we have to
be secure in our minds to be able to 'open up', so the words and
lessons can get in deep enough for the mind to lock it in, and we can
both remember it, and learn.
But...,
in a world totally off-the-scales of sanity, with bad juju exploding
everywhere, being 'open' can be deadly, I assume?
Answer:
GET AWAY FROM THE MAINSTREAM SHIT! AND FAST!!!
[hohoho...,
my little joke there... True, nevertheless!]
And the 'Socrates Thinking' Post
TEE
DUB
Thinkers
(Discussion) - Mar 8, 2014
Socrates: I
Cannot Teach Anybody Anything. I Can Only Make Them Think.
Jenny
DepewMar 8, 2014
But
can you really make them think either?
Max
CookMar 8, 2014+1
Argh?
What, indeed, IS 'thinking'???
Jenny
DepewMar 8, 2014
Pondering
thought burns calories so something is physically happening.
Electrical signals between neurons are triggered by neurotransmitters
released from one neuron and received by the other. A series of
neurons interact like Dominoes. Where or what is the thinking though?
Good question. I guess you did make me think. Question? There might
be a clue there.
Max
CookMar 8, 2014
Not
claiming an original of course, but it might be the deepest question
going...?
I've
got 'guesses' about it, which send the ego mad with denials, but
might get to thinking's essence?
At
least.., I think I'm thinking, aka 'guessing' about it?
Far
too hard to discuss on this poorly medium.
[Writing/typing,
that-is.]
A
veeeery deeeeeeeeep philosophical question, come to it!
And
watch the egos jumping in?!!!
Jenny
DepewMar 8, 2014
Deep
end treading water, yeah.
'Question?'
was partially in reference to the Socrates quote that I had
challenged - How can he make them/anyone think? -Answer prompted by
the conversation, perhaps by questioning.
I
posted a question and you countered with a question - both represent
some thinking or nerve signals had to have happened. Electric nerve
signals are somewhat easier to consider than thought/spirit/mind but
not much.
Max
CookMar 8, 2014
Cool.
Sorry 'bout answering a Q w a Q.
Only
taking your Q to the next, deeper level, methought.
Your..,
"Electric nerve signals are somewhat easier to consider than
thought/spirit/mind but not much."
'Easier..,'
only if the considerer wants to go only so deeeeep, and to stay in
the 'tangible' 'electric nerve signals' type, arena/s.
Bloody
Scientists! hoho.. =)
But,
basically useless if we are asking questions as to the core, the
root, of thinking.
And,
whether it is actually necessary? Perhaps there are only answers?
And we are merely ignorant of them - hence, of course, 'questions'.
But
that's another distraction...!
The
meaning of the root word for 'education' comes to mind.
'Educe'
as I recall, means 'to draw forth, to bring out, from within'.
I
think the suggestion is that all we can be educated to know, is
already sitting waiting, within us, as if some fount of knowledge is
at the very essence of our being, well within and beneath the more
superficial, tangible' realms of the mind, where 'thought/thinking'
happens.
Therefore,
to sound academic [not!] were we, it may be said, in constant touch
with our inner most 'core', 1st principle, that mysterious essence we
get down to, once stripping all the shallower 'stuff' away, which may
be our very own True Self, we would be in constant knowledge, of the
answers to every possible question?
WhOOOWH?
Thence,
no need, ever, for question?
So,
having studied Socrates and others in a Fine School [of Philosophy],
and loving it, is that what he, and you allude to, in his line?
'Thinking'
beyond what someone can implant in our mind, ie., 'Teach', and to
educe the truth, or the scientific evidence, or the facts, the
answer, which may always be inside of us, but [love it!] deeeeeeep
inside of us, perhaps even until we know that we, as-in 'me', is not
thinking at all.
Or,
we ARE 'thinking' but that 'thinking' is but the shallower reactions
['electrical nerve signals'] to unknowns [unknown to the poorly
indoctrinated mentality, not taught about what does lie deeeeeper
within], by our less deeeeep mind, which has never been introduced to
it's very own deeeeeper depths?
I
think I can go with that!
Trying
it on, with yer av'rage christians, is NOT recommended, however!
Jenny
DepewYesterday 2:06 AM
Answering
a Q with a Q can be helpful to redirect or clarify the first
question.
*This
comment got really long but it was fun to think about.
The
idea of particles linked across time and space, quantum entanglement,
fascinates me
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/quasar-experiment-may-shed-light-quantum-physics-free-will-n45571
And
the way 6 quarks interact with each other to add up to a total
positive or negative balance might be connected to the power of
positive (or negative) thinking. The placebo and nocebo effects and
positive effects of prayer on healing have been studied somewhat in
academic research.
Quarks
can be part of cosmic rays, as mesons, or part of the structure of a
proton or neutron, as baryons.
/Just
fun to think about/ Maybe old thoughts are still traveling around the
cosmos in the form of loose mesons and they occasionally may get
quantum entangled with a currently living person and shared as
information somehow as prophecy/clairvoyance or channeling/ghost
encounter- we don't know what we don't know. I personally believe
more in some sort of collective unconscious, Jungian theory, than any
one specific religion. Agnostic / open minded. Who knows, our atomic
structure may be a source of some sort of ancestral instinctual
information, or quarks plus our DNA.
http://psychology.about.com/od/personalitydevelopment/tp/archetypes.htm
"Notice
that the quarks all combine to make charges of -1, 0, or +1."
from an overview article, "Elementary Particles":
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/21st_century_science/lectures/lec16.html
Also
an interesting pdf about quarks:
http://www.gsjournal.net/old/science/javahery2.pdf
/Tangent/
Thinking regularly may help protect against symptoms of dementia
later in life. History of more education was found protective even
when there was physical damage associated with Alzheimer's disease.
Thinking
about thinking now may help the brain think better twenty years in
the future.
http://interactive.snm.org/index.cfm?PageID=12699
Max
CookYesterday 9:12 AM
A?
In Astrayliar, we call that 'taking the piss!
Sorry
for being conceived.
bye
[I
had a 2nd look at Jenny's comments, and tried to come back. I'm not
convinced I made sense though?]
Re-reading
your comment, Mrs Depew, but not the links [I'm a v slow reader, and
stuff with modality/field-specific language, like this science, is a
waste for me - which really shits me - I'd love to have had better
learning how to read faster as a kid], I accept you weren't quite so
much 'taking the piss', [but expect you were],
and
so..., your...,
"...Maybe
old thoughts are still traveling around the cosmos in the form of
loose mesons and they occasionally may get quantum entangled with a
currently living person and shared as information somehow..."
is
a scientific way of saying it. Which can be regarded by amateur
'cosmologists', aka, 'dreamers' [ha!] like meself, as how I have a
pocket open to see the 'thought' phenomena does 'go 'round'?
But
other 'dreamers' occultists, would coin it differently, aye?
Your..
"And
the way 6 quarks interact with each other to add up to a total
positive or negative balance might be connected to the power of
positive (or ..........
.........or
part of the structure of a proton or neutron, as baryons."
'might'
figures a lot there, and in this field generally, no?
But,
while I'd say it's healthy interpreting, something tells me that
'thought', or, at least some primal 'spark' still comes before all
the particles you go to?
Being
Atheist, it could be complicated?
Combinations
of all the primal gook, obviously has evolved into the variations of
then-to-now. So of or in all facets of what exists, thoughts,
thinking, mechanisms for these, seem entirely natural.
But
getting to the original, or root intelligence, is another Q?
I
'heard' it once, that there is a 'place' beneath [above] all things,
where all knowledge and consciousness is 'seated'.
And
that it also, is something [some NOT thing] that is a product of the
processes of evolution, like a purification process where all
knowledge accumulates.
A
very NOT-THINKING realm, and, clearly, is what, or where, the theists
label 'god', Allah, Brahma, et al.
But
'thinking' gets us only so far toward it, whence we must abandon
thought altogether, to 'pass through' the metaphorical 'gates', into
that inexpressible zone.
And,
your last paragraph, on 'thinking improving us' etc, is Q'd?
Too
much thinking, on falsities, as per whiteguy judeo-christian
ideologies, AND, economics, I say, induces madness, especially in
later years, like dementia, etc.
The
west has failed us completely in recognizing and teaching us how
'delicate' and important tour mind, and it's ways and contents are.
We
gotto keep it clean of bullshit, otherwise, I'm sure it is
cumulative, and will mess us around later on.
There
ya go! I rote to a sheila, and 'twas a deeeep one!
'MAAAZING!
Still
think you were takin' the piss though!
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