140408 G+ - Atheism - Testing for god Post
G+ Atheism
Carl Fischer
Discussion -
Yesterday 9:26 PM
Consider the
following conjecture: The notion that science cannot measure God may
stem from an era several hundred years ago where scientists were
threatened with death for challenging church teaching. In order to
preserve their own lives, scientists argued that they were not
testing God, but rather observing the natural world around us. This
argument served the scientist by placating the church.
In modern
countries with a separation of church and state, this isolation of
god from science is no longer necessary. Let us therefore claim that
if God were real and relevant, it should be testable by science.
Thoughts?
Me;
I agree with your
point.
How'vaar...?
"In
modern countries with a separation of church and state, ..."
in word only.
The reality is
treacherously otherwise.
But it mayn't be
important to your Q?
I don't want to
be hit with shallow egocentric objections for this..., but we might
be looking at it incorrectly?
This is in the
hackneyed word 'god'. It's so loaded now, that the less 'tangible',
more 'mystical' element/s of what you're asking be tested by
'science'.., is/are either ignored, forgotten, or shouted out of any
debate, and, really, are rejected, by egoists, without any serious
dedicated, deep inquiry.
Some essence
exists, we can't seem to explain.
Not all 'science'
fails to, but usually the 'terms of reference' in public 'debates'
like you ask for here, are of the common place, and person. [I'm all
for your Q's, and points though. Don't get me wrong]
And any research,
which necessitates forgetting the 'laboratory' kind of avenue, and
taking 'the road less traveled' to borrow a phrase, are mocked and
shunned, without any common critic ever having genuinely dedicated
themselves to going down that FUCKING FRIGHTENING Path, deep into our
own self, well beyond everything we've been erroneously indoctrinated
to accept as our mind, thoughts, etc.
All wiser
philosophies, a science itself, properly followed, 'testify' there is
some 'godlike' light deep inside 'us'.
But the better of
them, the Honest ones, reject the western concept of this our
commanding, punishing, sentient, approachable in any 'conversant
sense 'deity'.
So, I'm assuming
you come from mainstream western, but thinking western culture, so
may be haven't explored all the optional perspectives, as to the
existence or not, of something which should not be described and
intonated to be 'god'?
Because [not
saying your a dumbass 'deep-south' whiteguy] 'modern' science, is
that - modern - and assumes [mostly for the attached pride] it leads
in the Arts' abilities to question and explore the unfathomable, such
as, 'god', as we mistake or misbelieve or mis-assume [?] there to be
or not to be, merely because western science has achieved amazing
things in the material realm/s.
While, 'eastern'
Cultures have also had immensely developed and advanced 'science/s'
for millennia, and contrary to our whiteguys' sciences inquiring onto
the nature of 'things', the 'east' has forever, been on a Right Path,
and has not until the British East India Company marched in and
fucked everything, and the jesuits from about the 17th century,
hoodwinked the east with western bullshit, the eastern 'Sages' have
remained in tune with the 'not thing' aspects of the spirit, and
would run rings around the best of our western inquirers about the
actual existence of that mysterious some-not-thing, the west has
capitalized upon, and called 'god'.
So, as far as I'm
concerned, there is no debate as to god, or no god.
There is no god
as per the western definition/corruption/capitalization of the
subtle-most 'spirit', and yes, god has to be gotten out of the
culture in the west, and should be without the need for western
science to prove it's non-existence.
And, there's no
need for the cults, or our Finest Scientists, to prove by testing,
that their precious big asshole exists.
What would be
quicker, and probably less contentious, would be for a Movement of we
whiteguys, to ask the Eastern Masters to put their views across into
the west, and in that, educe, educate the western flockers, about
what, where and how this big guy or big NOT guy does it's thing, or
not thing.
But clearly, the
av'rage mainstream low-IQ, christian-bible-bashed, westerner whiteguy
god-botherers, need a long course in stopping their CRAZY heads from
being so fucking crazy first!
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