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Comment To G+ “Why get mad, am just an elemental composition with
advanced synaptic connections...:
David Ateenyi
Thinkers (Discussion) - Nov 8, 2013
“Why get mad, am just an elemental
composition with advanced synaptic connections with the perception of
reality. Just a thought I had.”
Me:
Good
points/questions.
Not wanting to
claim authority on the subject/s, I think I've asked the same,
myself.
Our Australian
Aborigines, from their earliest interactions with the whiteguys on
these matters, accepted the term "The Dreaming" for this
world they/we are in.
This might infer
that we all have our own, and/or cultural dreamings, in which we're
nurtured by parents, and others.
All Aborigines
were living in what the bible would call "the Garden of Eden"
so needed no "schools" as we now know them.
But christians
and jews find it very hard to accept that the "primitives"
, ie., non-whites, and here, until 1967, still "not humans"
were in fact living in their own Gardens of Eden!
Watch them FREAK
when that's put to them! HA!
But yeah,
conditioning of our ways of perceiving the world are part of
everyone's growth, and it's worth defining the differences between
"healthy" conditioning, for the individual and for the
community together, and "bad" conditioning, for both.
As each is from
their own time/space Homeland, Culture, and such, who is to say one
is good while another is bad?
Aborigine, being
all still "not fallen" as per the biblical reference to
Adam and Eve, et al, also knew but were very strong in their cultural
"demands" in terms of "Talking True" as they say.
Out in the
deserts, there are still what they call "True Fellas", who
do not tell lies.
Obviously they
are hard put to exist within the corrupted western styles of life
even amongst their own Mobs.
But like the
Japanese, who also had no word for "no", and no doubt most
"pre-invasion" Peoples, they were also Wise enough to know
how to "negotiate" their way through conversations with
those who - talk shit - or just have no ability to not lie.
Once whiteguy
came, and began the decimation and stealing of their Mother, the
lands and the rights to practice their cultures and customs, they
knew things, the Eden, had come to an end, and one thing they had to
change, was the continent and island-wide fundamental, of "Talking
True".
In other words,
for whatever momentary reasons, they had to adapt to the invaders
deceptions, and simply to survive, had to be able to talk shit. To
tell lies here and there.
So teaching kids
became a new ballgame, and the elders had to modify what they knew
and had for ever known, that "not lying" was fundamental to
keeping the Dreaming in balance, in harmony with each other, with
each other tribe/nation, and with the larger natural world.
They knew, and
still do, know that the invasion signaled the end of the balanced
Dreaming, and things were gonna get crazy from there-on. Which, they
have.
So, sorry for the
"prolixia", the question about the difference between good
and bad teaching/raising of kids, your "Are people being
brainwashed, or is it simply the passing on of knowledge?" rest
on the outcomes, short and long term, in the personal and macro,
cultural levels.
We now see the
overwhelming influences of the western ways, as breeding utter
madness, chaos across societies and within minds. And, AND, the
destruction of all natural, crucial balances in environmental terms.
So, it's not for
one superman to be judge on this overall and underlying point, but we
are all able to assess and add the evidence to find the same
conclusion.
The modern
culture as "brainwashing" is in-harmonious, so, doesn't
fall into what an "All Things Considered" inquiry would
regard as merely, and purely, "the passing on of knowledge",
for the sustenance of "Good" Culture.
Using your terms,
"passing on of..." and "brainwashing", delineates
good and bad.
But, yeah, the
definitions of both terms, are open to interpretation.
"Good
conditioning", or "the passing on of Knowledge" would
infer the retention in the Child/Adult and Nation, of the Purest
Ways.
Knowledge about
how to lie, doesn't rate, in my strict interpretation, as
"Knowledge", in it's best sense.
So, probably,
it's down to observing the results of "passing on of knowledge",
and "brainwashing", if we accept the definitions and
inferences you also put?
And, I have no
doubt, that if it requires it, being strict across the culture to
preserve Honesty, and all that goes with it, of the underlying
Principles for Being Human, of Complete Respect for Equals, who hold
fast to the same high standards, of maintaining Honor. Dignity,
Integrity and all those flowery, high and noble words in one's self,
and thus in whomever we know and especially tutor from youth, then
the result is a Pure and Healthy Culture.
Whereas I
reckon..., while we acquiesce to corruption of how to behave,
economically, and in relations with others, so are deceitful etc.,
the Knowledge which comes from an higher realm than the chattering,
conniving, ready-to-deceive mind, from perhaps, that Universal
consciousness, is buried, and soon enough, is lost.
Thus, the culture
turns bad, and everything goes to shit. Becomes unbalanced and
chaotic.
aka "whiteguy"
culture.
But Hey?
Defining good from bad in culture, is a hard one, especially to have
accepted widely, as generic.
But, I think, in
the long run - if there is a "long run" for humanity from
here into the future - this type issue is vital, and needs a hell of
a lot of popularizing across the planet, such that a majority can get
into the fine Philosophical, and Intellectual, thus Cultural details,
to not merely accept, but to Know and understand it, and it's/their
need.
But, while the
judeo-christian CRAPitalist "creeds" [both essentially,
putting the individual before the well being of the
Group/Nation/Planet, ie., selfishness] dominate most everybody's
lives, such that we're all forced to do battle not only 9-to-5, but
24/7, with our neighbors et al, for food and a roof, etc., few will
be able to go into the Silence enough to open the Intellect, and thus
to deduce for themselves any Wisdom on these macro, now, global
matters of survival.
My biggest
putsch, in my basic argument about today's culture, predominantly
western "christianity", and it's domination of "the
global culture", is that christianity is the very enemy of
"True Democracy".
But we have, I
think, to arrive at that conclusion, "fact" I say,
ourselves.
So, all-in-all,
we're fucked!
But it's always
enrichening to ponder these deeper "Dreamings".
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