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Comments on the New Testament AND FALSE GODS!!!
Victor Torres
- Feb 14, 2014
Nick D. Rising
originally shared:
This is a long thread, with lots of comments.
But this fella,
'Joe Nunya' ['...business', as he has it], speaks volumes about the
New Testament and its true meaning/s.....
Joe Nunya
Yesterday 9:50 AM
+John DeMicco
Depends on what account you go by, like ALL the various sun gods
there are numerous versions.
In one Krishna
was shot with an arrow in the foot.
In one numerous
arrows.
In another he was
"suspended on a tree" which is basically crucified.
ALL of the
various sun gods were ALL crucified in some way.
As for the MYTH
of jesus he was like all the rest crucified on the southern cross in
the sky on the Winter Solstice.
It is all
allegorical.
You simply can
not take the numerous versions seriously, we are talking about a
MYTH, a myth about a SUN GOD.
All the myths
have countless similarities because they are all talking about the
exact same thing.
The SUN, the
STARS, and the cycle of the sun.
Rest of it is
basically meaningless.
Joe Nunya
Yesterday 10:10
AM
+Vash Crowley
Except most of this is correct, just depends on the interpretation.
It is correct as
far as the fairy tale goes.
None of it is
real in any way and any so called Atheist that ignorantly believes
that such a "real entity" as any "Jesus of Nazareth"
really existed is embarrassing themselves.
I agree we don't
need to spread manure, but most all of this Sun God stuff is not
manure, some people here and there may interpret a certain part
differently, or even incorrectly.
But the vast
majority is pretty close.
and you have to
remember there are numerous versions of all these stories, these were
'Oral Tradition" and in the case of parts of the NT was actually
a stage play.
All of it about
astrology.
this is a pretty
interesting site that explains some of it pretty well.
Max Cook
Yesterday 11:10
AM
+Joe Nunya
Thanks for the
clarifications, Joe!
While I'll not go
through the rest of the zodiac signs to check if they align with what
you say here, and if you can, or throw up a link to a site that
describes them without being too lengthy, what you've just explained
is somewhat mind-blowing.
If your
explanation is correct, it exposes the outrageous ignorance of all
'christian' preachers and churches, who've told it as we've come to
know it.
As another
comment in this thread suggests, that the 'myth' was to convince
'Rome's, and it's empire's Jews, I guess, about the 'emperor' [being
godly], which doesn't fit with your explanation, why then did the
scribes write the New Testament at all? I know the Councils of Nicea
commissioned some of the NT, didn't they?
But if the NT is
in reality [what's reality?] as you put, the story of the zodiacs and
the sun god, what purpose was it written to address?
On another
point..., the 'virgin' stuff?
I lean to
agreeing with your interpretation, about 'virgo' [ I assume 'virgo'
is in December?], thus of a virgin. But, isn't it also clear that
the said father of Jesus, 'Joseph', was not his genetic father, and
.'. that Jesus was a 'bastard', was illegitimate, to an unknown dad?
You'd know the
myths of Merlin, too I guess?
He's said to have
been illegitimate [also].
In occultism,
such illegitimate conception and birth, apparently makes the child a
more powerful witch. Which Jesus clearly was, as per the NT
'evidence' [yep. I write this with healthy skepticism, while OK in
believeing the man, Jesus did actually exist, but that his existence
has been deliberately exaggerated, as all such 'myths' are intended,
to increase, in the minds of the recipients of the stories, their
belief about some hero, god, superman, savior, etc. And that too has
subversive, pernicious psychic and psychological, as well as
hypnotic, designs behind it, of course!]
And, correctly or
not, much has come out since the release of the Nag Hammadi and/or
'Dead Sea Scrolls', that 'virgin' then, was not as we know it's
meaning, now. Or as likely, the word was wrongly interpreted from
the old Aramaic, or Greek, or whichever language the texts were
written in.
Somewhere, I
read, and decided to agree with 'virgin birth' really meaning that
the child was a bastard. If the said father, for Jesus, 'Joseph',
was not the genetic 'doner', then the bullshit machinery could easily
say that then, there was no hanky-panky leading to conception,
preganancy and birth.
So, mum must'a
been impregnated by 'god'!
AAAA HAHAHAHA!
[I can quite imagine a lying bitch, telling her less-than-intelligent
husband that story, once she was 'showing'. And, knowing well, too
well, from personal experience, that a witch can heavily dumb-down
another person, to believe anything, or simply to not be able to
perceive the facts, if Mary did spin that yarn on Joseph, he may well
have been victim to her bewitchery thereafter. It is inneresting
that he is 'written out' of the general story?
Which might add
to my postulation that the 'Jesus myth' has been an invention of a
'matriarchal' witches cabal, for related, but similarly pernicious
matriarchal desires on 'power'.]
And, I go
further, to today, suggesting, with ample evidence, that the same
'matriarchy' still exists, and has tried the Jesus bullshit, AGAIN.
So, possibly
directly connected - 'mother Mary', and today's matriarchal-ists
[from within the 'House of Hanover', no less], have for some
thousands of years been working [wending?] the 'ether' with their
wicked ways, so-as to take control of the whole damned planet.
Have you heard of
the 'belief' that 'Eden' was a matriarchy'? It may have been.
Pre-colonial
Australia, upto 1788, was quite possibly, something of that order.
Many Aborigine Women here, Mighty People all of them, hold to that
belief, which can probably be shown as having been true, since much
of the 'old ways' are still extant here.
And, for a while,
I've felt strongly that pre-invasion Australia, was still quite
untainted, and pure, as per the mythological 'Eden'.
There's no doubt
the Bleck Fullas here, were an whole 520-plus nations, of fully
Enlightened People. Impossible to argue that against the majority
white, and racist population here, though.
But it goes to
understanding why they were so ''Spiritually' in tune with the land,
the Mother, and with each other, and that they were in that, totally
content, totally satiated, so did not go the awry path the whiteguy
has gone since 'the fall' to the warring madness, chaos, insatiable
and self-destructive ways the 'modern' world is at now.
Apologies for my
prolixia? Not a subject to be discussed in 140 characters!
Joe Nunya
4:43 AM
+Max Cook Well
here is another of Zodiac signs that lines up with the story and to
me at least is the real kicker.
Jesus rides into
Jerusalem during the summer on BOTH and "Ass and a Foal" or
sometimes called a colt.
Now the so called
Prophecy said "“Behold, your King is coming to you…lowly and
riding on a donkey [male], a colt, the foal of a donkey [female]"
Now what this
actually means is this.
The "King"
being the SUN is riding across the summer sky into Jerusalem and
riding across the constellation of Cancer.
In ancient
Chaldean star charts of that time, the two groups of stars that make
up the pincers on the Crab were called 'The Ass & the Foal"
this is what they were know as long before the astrological story of
jesus in the NT was ever written.
So while
impossible for an actual blood and flesh person to ride BOTH an ass
and a foal into town its a piece of celestial cake for the SUN to
ride across the sky figuratively riding both the pincers of Cancer
(Ass & Foal).
The Christian
apologist tie themselves in knots trying to explain that one.
Here is another
part of the story that shows that jesus is the SUN.
""Matt
21:17-20 17 And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany;
and he lodged there. 18 Now in the morning as he returned into the
city, he hungered. 19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came
to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it,
Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the
fig tree withered away. 20 And when the disciples saw it, they
marveled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!""
So, either jesus
is the SUN and this is an allegory for late fall and winter is coming
thus the Sun is waning and naturally the fig tree withers like they
do every winter.
OR he is a stark
raving lunatic that decided to kill a fig tree because it had no
fruit.
Jesus the SUN
walking on water?
Easy, just look
at the sunset over any body of water, as the sun (jesus) figuratively
walks on its surface.
I mean it just
goes on and on and on, each and every thing in the bible like this
makes perfect sense ONLY when you realize what is being talked about
here is the Cycle of the SUN and an allegorical story.
Choice! Cheers
Joe!
One could easily
lose oneself exploring these options you explain.
Quite a
revolutionary way of looking at and reading the NT, no question!
Hope you don't
live in the deep south!?
But the question
remains...?
"Why, did
whomever, write the NT?"
Was it [in your
opinion] merely Rome, at Nicea, capitalizing on ancient myths, around
the same descriptions of the months and agricultural seasons, and
perhaps the times for making more babies [as it, procreation, was
once kept in accordance with these most suitable seasonal times of
each year], so-as, as is often said, to not put off those who already
have similar 'pagan' beliefs, etc? 'Pagan beliefs' which were, and
are, unquestionably intelligent and wise.
Rome was
perpetually 'on the march', in it's quest to conquer the world, so it
fits that they'd be doing everything to bring in, and onside, all the
newly invaded and conquered nations/peoples/tribes.
Therefore they'd
have had significant 'departments' of experts [The Ministry of
Truth!!!] in this type of story/stories, myth-making, to attempt to
compile all key points in all key myths, into one major tome - aka
the NT.
But, as I've held
to for years, each major power, has always been very anti-democratic
[ancient Greece's Socratic/Platonic 'Democracy' was, I say, as much
expounded 'theory' then, more than institutionalized reality - they
had slaves, and only their elite had voting rights, etc].
And, for most all
of 'recorded history', all nations have been 'centrist' monarchies,
thus have had severe 'class-structures', necessary for social and
cultural improvement and advances, I guess [but to what end?], so
this corruption of the story of the Sun and seasons, etc, would be a
'gentle' and acceptable way to persuade the [Pagan] masses into
believing that 'centrism' via a holy king, thus supportive of the
fucking monarch, is the natural order of life.
[I've long,
cynically held, that 'recorded history', and even writing itself, was
really only invented, so the monarchs and their civil servants, could
remember all the bullshit they told the slaves, to keep the myths on
track, and the slaves dumb-down and becalmed. This has merit for the
Indigenous cultures, all being quite a lot more honest and true to
basic laws of ownership and of communal sharing - aka "True
Communism', rarely, if ever, 'progressing' to such detailed forms of
record-keeping and writing!] [HA!]
Mad as a bag of
cut snakes though most overly wealthy monarchs have been, and always
become!
All adding up to
strongly suggest that everything around and within the 'Jesus myth',
aka the whole NT, is a crock, and the most evil deceit upon the
intelligence of each and every human being.
However....,
while being quite pissed with the whole deceit, I will stay with my
beliefs that the scribes and their advisers were doing their best,
and did successfully include, or not omit, the unquestionable Wisdoms
in the NT, which apply across the board in day to day life.
The same Wisdoms
have always been - once unspoken - indisputable knowledge about how
to live, no matter which 'race', culture or, in fact, 'species'!
In fact, we have
to admit that our modern generations have not been the 1st ones to
see through the deceptions.
And, in the NT,
there are 'clues', some of which you've cleverly deciphered, which
tell us that it IS a deceit, and that we are fools to fall for the
literal texts.
'Allegory' and
metaphor' other ways to read all religious and philosophical texts
like the biblical ones.
But one is
inclined to be open to the chance that the original scribes, and
those who 'steered' them to write as they did, were in fact,
themselves very skeptical of what the higher echelons of Roman
[landed, centrist, elite] power, were demanding they write?
Hence, the
'clues' such as you may have deciphered?
Perhaps that was
why the Councils of Nicea went on for some 60 years?
Clearly, most
allusions to the 'Gnostic Way' as taught and practiced by the
'Dissenting' followers of JC., of Meditation, etc, have been
excluded.
But for the
subtle clues some if us detect, one does sense that perhaps the
Gnostics did in fact still have some sway on the scribes and even on
the Roman elite. It's wrong to assume that all the Roman and
Hebrews involved, were complete fools and like christians, unable to
see the Reason ie., the Intelligence, of the Gnostics.
The 'orthodox'
Jews of Jerusalem, don't regard the NT as part of their scripture,
nor do they recognize JC as any messianic figure.
And I think the
whole notion of a 'messiac', is refuted by many of them.
Doubtless, some
do see the NT as an allegory, and perhaps about the Sun, as you
decipher it?
However, I go
with my 'theory' that the whole of both christianity and freemasonry,
were quite deliberate inventions of the old Israelites, in THEIR
quest to own the world! Either pre, or post the Roman conquering of
old Israel.
They, after all,
have held viciously and with the greatest arrogance, to their being
'the chosen tribe'.
So, on that
'theory', it's easy to accept that the jews were instrumental in both
Rome's expansionism, and in design and spread of the NT, to seduce
the flockers to follow what was, and still is essentially a Judaic
story, about one of their 'revolutionaries'. Aka 'JC'.
Enough....
Max Cook
10:20 AM
Sorry for the
tome, fellow commenters!
As Joe alludes to
further up, I might be one of his 'delusional psychotics' for
accepting any of the NT as being about any real person, aka JC.
So ''+Joe Nunya',
assuming the 'Jesus' sides of the NT are quite NOT as they try to
have us believe, do you then say that the 'Councils of Nicea' in the
4th century, and the lengthy and brutal disputes between the
'centrists', later called the 'catholics' and the Gnostics, [I think
the Maldeans, or such?] were also fabrications?
When therefore,
does 'history' really begin?
Or, is all
history a 'present-time' myth as well?
Is there,
therefore [here's me going psychotic! HA!] no division into three, of
'time'? [More a jocular few questions, than serious.] Then...,
"DAMN THE JEWS, and their clocks!!!" lol...
Max Cook
2:34 PM
A few thoughts
for SUNday...,
Whether Joe
Nunya's perceptions about the NT are closer to the truth, than the
general things most christians believe, or not, what Joe does point
out, that we are quite right in questioning the whole phenomena of
biblical stories and myths, whether allegory or literal, brings up
the questions about how far off the track - therefore how dangerous -
the christians, but more so, their 'leaders' are, as-in pontiffs and
all the way down the 'chains of command and influence, throughout
'Christendom'?
Considering the
extent to which they control things like - banking policies, aka via
the biggest, global banks boardrooms, full of
christian-school/college-educated executives, and corporations, the
same indoctrinal situations prevailing, then, their insidious
interference in all things 'government', and, and this is the
cruncher, as far as I see it, that some [one assumes 'large]
percentage of the clergy still actually believe the literal meanings
and histories of the biblical accounts.
And, it's
predictions!
That any of these
fools in power and funny dresses and hats, have ANY influence over
the majority of dumbed-down, and possibly lower-classes, makes the
whole western judao-christian 'thing' humanity's most dangerous
threat.
And they put
people into positions of political power????
What Atheists
really have to be careful about, then, is that if, as it seems,
Atheism is growing rapidly, that Atheism does not turn into anything
as fanatical as any of the christian cults have been allowed to
become over the last 1600 years.
Joe replied with
these two excellent comments...;
Joe Nunya
12:50 AM
+Max Cook "makes
the whole western judao-christian 'thing' humanity's most dangerous
threat."
====================
I have been
saying this for decades.
There is no doubt
that religion has been THE leading cause of War, Death, Genocide,
Racism, Sexism, Civil Unrest, Destruction of entire
societies/cultures, than any other thing that human beings have done
to each other in all of human history.
And...,
Joe Nunya
3:26 AM
+Max Cook ""Why,
did whomever, write the NT?""
===============================
Hard to say, why
was any religious text ever written?
The prevailing
reason it appears for the NT was to keep the slaves and lower classes
in line.
But that was
largely from Constantine around 325CE.
Prior to that
there was no actual N, there were at least 50-56 various "Gospels"
most quite a bit different than the manure that is spewed today from
the 3 Synoptic Gospels plus John that were "Cherry Picked"
by the council of Nicaea.
Constantine
offered to make the little-known
Christian sect
the official state religion if the Christians would settle their
differences. Apparently, he didn't particularly care what
they believed in
as long as they agreed upon a singular belief.
Because prior to
this, for hundreds of years, "Christians" believe all kinds
of various bullshit.
Largely they were
mostly Gnostic thus believed more on the lines of Hinduism where god
was actually "inside THEM" but after the CoN it was
manipulated to be more along the lines of Saul/Paul of Tarsus where
the "Church says god is inside of IT", not US.
This is a good
summary of Constantine.
So they got rid
of the reincarnation parts which gives power to those that believe it
to be THEM, as they are god or in the case of the Gnostic's believed
they could become god, god like, with knowledge of the mysteries.
They believed
that Yeshua of Nazareth was the archetype of what it means to become
as “only begotten” while living the mortal life. It was from the
life of this mythical person that early Christian scholars created
the theological construct called Jesus Christ. As true Gnostics
believed in what they called the Galilean or 'Teacher of
Righteousness" ( It is very likely this person was actually
"Apollonis of Tyana" a REAL person of which the Jesus MYTH
was fashion from) and see in him an example worthy of emulation and
devotion, but did not believe in the Jesus Christ found in the
Christian faith. So in reality even though they were called Gnostic
Christians they were no such thing since they did not believe in any
Christ.
Basically to them
he was exactly like them but after coming back from India he merely
ascended like they will in time.
The difference is
that Gnostic's viewed Yeshua or more likely Apollonius as a REAL
flesh and blood person, a man born just like them but gained the
knowledge to become as god to ascend after death.
the God of the
Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) they viewed it as the Demiurge,
viewed by Gnostic's as fundamentally evil, jealous, rigid, lacking in
compassion, and prone to genocide. The Demiurge "thinks that he
is supreme. His pride and incompetence have resulted in the sorry
state of the world as we know it, and in the blind and ignorant
condition of most of mankind." So they couldn't have that of
course.
They got rid of
every Gnostic related text because they were literally the exact
opposite, the black to their white of what they WANTED their
followers to believe.
To best take
power AWAY from the individual you must have an All Knowing, All
Seeing, All Powerful, Jealous, Hate Filled, Vile piece of shit GOD
that will punish you even after you are fucking dead.
So they decided
on just 4 Gospels out of really we have no idea how many because only
about 50 or so managed to survive all the rest were burned.
Those 4 plus
naturally the insane babbling's of Saul/Paul, a man of which clearly
suffered from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, was disfigured, in pain and a
complete fucking lunatic, a man of which thought that each and every
day for the last 20+ years of his miserable life that it was his last
day.
So really whom we
have to thank for the absolute insanity of Christian lunacy today is
Constantine & Saul/Paul, prior to him there really wasn't much of
what you would call Christian belief as you know it today.
It should be no
surprise that they chose 4 versions of what was basically an Oral
Tradition Passion Play, an Astrological Drama about the Cycle of the
SUN.
Which naturally
coincided very closely to Sol Invictus which was what most Romans
worshiped, so very easy to get them to follow the new state religion
since it was really the same old religion anyway.
The NT is in fact
and irrefutably just an Astrological Drama about Sol Invictus, where
the character of jesus is an allegory for the sun.
That is what the
4 Gospels are depicting, they were originally a stage play which is
why they sorta end up in this funky chapter and verse.
These are
remembrances from oral tradition, bits and pieces put together to
form a narrative.
Written by many
people over many years.
Sol Invictus was
the real subject matter, the SUN, the NT is merely an allegorical
story.
So I wrote
back...,
Max Cook
8:27 AM
+Joe Nunya
Brilliant Joe!
Made me laugh
more than I have for ages!
But, it's great
to read, knowing others will too, and adds goodly description to the
fallacies of - well..., ALL religion.
I could ask lots
of questions of you. But, that's cool.
Cheers. From all
Thinkers, too!
As you can see, I'm very wordy, and stray off topic a lot. That's me, in all my comments on news websites too. It seems I'm half tolerated, but right wingers and opportunist can me just 'cause they can, and lately on probably all of them for getting further into the big conspiracy I'm central too, the middle-upper to upper crust dicks who have been ready to comment on mine, seem to be not, any more. I know why, if it is happening, but too bad. They're fools and bastards to drop me for being Righteous, and on the side of Democracy. But also, if they can't understand that the hexes of a life time of lies, with add-ons, has seriously busted my mojo to live and to partake 'of the world'. No-one can be on the receiving 3nd of the levels of shit and falsity, from 'foe' and pretendly frenemies as I have, and not be permanently screwed, psychologically, 'sexually', and every other -ally.
From well behind the scenes, in every 'medium' they can get to me with, outside of being upfront and honest to me, they implore me to fire up and escape the link I was thrown, had 'welded' to my psyche in 1995, December.
But I am a loser. failed in all aspects of getting myself out of the shithole mum, and a zillion others dropped me in since 1954 - July 16th.
I can accept my fate, although I'm given massages in dreams that death is worse, something like eternal hell, or whatever they have had pumped into their dilly fucking heads as the afterlife.
Fuck ''em! I have burned about all the world's fucking karma these last 59 years, I reckon. So, with other aspects and experiences, I reckon I do not qualify for anything near as bad as they do. So unless they can be upfront and honest, primarily with a MAJOR apology, too bad.
Shit happens. And I keep fighting from the margins until someone comes along with a well-aimed bullet. Preferably through a silencer when I'm deep in some drunken stupor, asleep in my bunk.
So, I fight on with words. Said by many as the more effective and powerful weapons to firearms and bombs.
This G+ thread is slowly run it's course, mainly for my prolixia, but no doubt because the other long contributor, has put powerful points which are as likely to shatter and scatter the previously, half-interested, half-sincere white, or bleck, mainstream Google-plussers, away from partaking.
One can only hope they find the indignity in them, from reading the well put 'evidence' against the whole god and Jesus savior shit, from the better informed than I, namely Joe Nunya, to get up and - I dunno - join a militant Atheist Club, or start PROTESTING their governments to TAX THE FUCKING RELIGIONS!!!! Just to be inspired in some way.
More, I'd reckon we all hope, that the flockers leave their churches in droves, and the church schools, and do something to force the clergy to shut down or for themselves to call for changes to the evil church-assisting tax structures and land distribution rorts.
Whatever....
Here's what I threw up today, going on as usual, 'bout memememy family stuff.
Tough! I ain't gonna shut up for anyone.
140218.., more of me..,
From well behind the scenes, in every 'medium' they can get to me with, outside of being upfront and honest to me, they implore me to fire up and escape the link I was thrown, had 'welded' to my psyche in 1995, December.
But I am a loser. failed in all aspects of getting myself out of the shithole mum, and a zillion others dropped me in since 1954 - July 16th.
I can accept my fate, although I'm given massages in dreams that death is worse, something like eternal hell, or whatever they have had pumped into their dilly fucking heads as the afterlife.
Fuck ''em! I have burned about all the world's fucking karma these last 59 years, I reckon. So, with other aspects and experiences, I reckon I do not qualify for anything near as bad as they do. So unless they can be upfront and honest, primarily with a MAJOR apology, too bad.
Shit happens. And I keep fighting from the margins until someone comes along with a well-aimed bullet. Preferably through a silencer when I'm deep in some drunken stupor, asleep in my bunk.
So, I fight on with words. Said by many as the more effective and powerful weapons to firearms and bombs.
This G+ thread is slowly run it's course, mainly for my prolixia, but no doubt because the other long contributor, has put powerful points which are as likely to shatter and scatter the previously, half-interested, half-sincere white, or bleck, mainstream Google-plussers, away from partaking.
One can only hope they find the indignity in them, from reading the well put 'evidence' against the whole god and Jesus savior shit, from the better informed than I, namely Joe Nunya, to get up and - I dunno - join a militant Atheist Club, or start PROTESTING their governments to TAX THE FUCKING RELIGIONS!!!! Just to be inspired in some way.
More, I'd reckon we all hope, that the flockers leave their churches in droves, and the church schools, and do something to force the clergy to shut down or for themselves to call for changes to the evil church-assisting tax structures and land distribution rorts.
Whatever....
Here's what I threw up today, going on as usual, 'bout memememy family stuff.
Tough! I ain't gonna shut up for anyone.
140218.., more of me..,
A! Not
forgetting....
Some Australian
Aborigines have a story about 'the man in the moon'. Note, 'a man'
not a god, who 'dies' each 28 days, and is 'reborn after three days.
Not coincidental
to the myth about Jesus, and others being resurrected after three
days.
As Aborigine here
lived untouched since the earliest times, and that the Aussie
island/continent is 'said' to be the oldest piece of dirt on earth,
it figures that their 'stories', as part of life, which they
interpret into English as 'The Dreaming', come from so long ago, and
from so original an era, that they had some foundation, of the
stories we see here, in the various expanded myths about Krishna,
etc.
But I am no
expert on Aborigine generally, nor on origin stories, and any myths
which might have similar 'bones' to them as these very recent ones in
the poster.
There's a
researcher here who says he's established that Australia is actually
where homo sapiens did originate, and suggests then, that the Bleck
Fulla, [in their lingo], are descendent from the first humans.
Living as Homo Sapiens up to and beyond about 400,000 years ago.
My own
ancestors, the Gunai Nation, in south eastern Australia, were referred
to by their slayers, as 'Immortals', but, [as an aside] not until they
been obliterated by the 'pioneers' once they found "GOLD!” ["Nuggets as
big as a man's fist, lying in the steams!", as my Gunai Grand-Father
told me. Some 120+ tons of gold was taken out of two mines in that same
patch, over about 10 years. Worth something like 2 billion dollars +
now. So the IMF owes me, I reckon!]
The Indigenies
here I've heard on the subject, say 'the Creator-spirit', being the
phenomenon underlying life, but don't refer to that, as any
'sentient', interfering, chatty-chatty 'god', or such.
And, I've heard
some talk of christianity as 'evil' the same as Joe and I think, in
this thread. They're fully aware of what comes from the 'faith'
sides of it, and that it is oppressive of our own innate Intelligence
and Spirituality.
Many of them,
still 'connected' to their old ways, cultural traditions and
knowledge, and not 'stolen' by the churches to have their ways
stomped out of them, consciously reject outright the whole christian
idea, ideal, knowing at once that it is a scam.
When whiteguy
came, and Aborigine were aware of the extent of the invasion, they
had to decide how to survive.
Previous, there
was little or no lying. They were 'True Fellas', who only spoke
honestly. So they came to the decision that they too, had to start
talking shit, just to deal with and survive amongst the whites.
Especially once
the preachers got amongst them. Many of them were so shocked by the
shit these idiots would talk, they lost all want to live, knowing
their days were gone, and the era of bullshit was here to stay.
Joe Nunya
4:11 AM
+Max Cook Well
first off there is zero evidence that any such jesus/Yeshua of
Nazareth ever existed in anything but myth.
and I have looked
long and hard but have never found a single shred of evidence that he
is anything more than just an allegorical character, same as Horus or
Hercules.
I have yet to see
much evidence for any "Matriarchal Societies" with few
exceptions.
I mean
occasionally you get a Cleopatra VII that of course had great power
as Pharaoh.
There were quite
a few 'Goddesses" though, but this like all religion is just
power over the mind , usually priest pretending to communicate with
the Goddess.
But most ALL
gods, goddesses are some form of either Sun god, Vegetation god, or
some celestial what ever.
You have to
remember what human society was like 2000 years ago.
No electricity,
the skys above extremely clear, many spent A LOT of time not under a
roof like we do today.
No real science
short of a very very educated few.
No understanding
of just basic biology that even a Non Religious 5th grader today
would know.
A LOT of time was
spent looking at the stars and wondering just WTF .
They noticed the
obvious, the SUN maintained life, grew their crops which kept them
alive.
Thus the Sun
became "The Giver of Life".
Lord and Saviour
-- Mithras!
Max Cook
12:51 PM
+Joe Nunya
Cool!
I rarely watch
Youtubes, for data charges, here they're filthy, I reckon anyway.
And I could get
the basics from text sites, aye.
We agree to
disagree on whether Yeshua was an actual person, stripped of all the
myths. As you, I can offer no evidence, but knowing what I do about
the cults, religions, churches, synagogues, rahrarah, they're both
well capable of building this type of hero from nothing, but as well,
like hollywood, there is often, especially in the larger
'myths-cum-[blockbuster]-movies, some poor sucker who actually did
exist, and, to be sure, was 'airbrushed' out of the reality because
they remain, while alive or known, a threat to the bullshit.
You may recall
our actor, 'Paul Hogan' who played "Crocodile Dundee" in a
hollywood [I think] movie. It may have been locally made.
Well, hollywood
aside, the man did exist, in the Northern Territory. Not nearly the
hero Hogan painted him up to be, of course. He was a humbler bloke,
who was not gregarious, and lived well away from 'the throng' in a
desert piece of NT land. He gained his name, from actually wrestling
a croc.
But, once the
film was made, shown, made millions and gone, he was actually set up,
and was shot dead by NT coppers, having never been paid 'royalties'
or such.
I'm sure there
are Americans who specialize in investigating and compiling evidence
on just such scenarios, where hollywood has gotten onto a 'theme' of
someone's actual life, then orchestrated their demise 'by any means'.
usually, by making life so miserable they suicide. An old trick.
Then movie town goes to town and makes millions! For? Israel!
So, we should
consider these scenarios in our point of interest here. And, as we
do agree on, the judaic and christian, and masonic cults will try to
achieve their goals, 'by any means'.
Always, at some
poor suckers, some innocent peoples' expense.
Of course, now,
it matters not whether Yeshua did in fact live any life the old
rabbis and Roman elite saw worth plagiarizing.
But there is an
eerie coincidence between, as the poster shows, mythological
entities, made gods, and the means by which the perpetrators go about
'building' the grounds and foundations for the myth.
And, on
'matriarchy' everyone knows women are as smart at making things up,
as any SFX expert. Perhaps better?
The success,
always depends upon the ability to hide the facts. In fact, the
'stories' they fabricate to give apparent strength to some larger
conspired myth, do change as they are retold, of course, but also as
they are found to have flaws, illogicalities and outright provable
bullshit to them. But that doesn't matter to the central fanatics.
They just sprout some more confusing garbage to send the doubters off
to think some more, to dig fruitlessly some more, to come back and
never get the chance to re-address what was told them last time.
Classic whiteguy
shit, as far as I'm, and about ooowh? 5 BILLIONS Human beings alive
now, are concerned.
All the stories
about and around and behind any central objective, or puppet, can be
washed either clean or away.
'By any means'.
As we all agree,
in these types of major conspiracies, against the greater majority of
the species, the OCCUPY Movement's elitist '1%' against the Mass, the
'99%', the conspirators are stinking rich, can make money just
looking at a bank, or at their credit card, and so buying off a
potential 'leaker', or buying an assassin, is nothing to them, nor to
their objective, of building the world's greatest hero, and just in
the minds of as many as they can reach.
Hence, hollywood
and mass media. Even the mainstream news and entertainment mediums
are right in there, producing pro-centrist bullshit, as oft' to the
same end.
And all the
sycophants being bribed, with wages and salaries and endless
promotions [big Arnie! 'The Terminator' ''protecting the dude who
'saves the world!' 'John Connor'! or..., hohoho, 'JC"!
"Governor of
California, Arnie, YEE-EESSS! Anything to keep you quiet about the
background FACTS to the fiction!!!"
Like the spy
agencies - CIA, MI6, Mossat, and every other zionist cabal of spoiled
'we're getting PAID!' Ethics-free, hypnotized scumbags, who are very
much in-on-this modern-day scam of building another, as you have
defined well for us, 'Sun god', the trick, as they say, is to 'not
leave your calling card'.
So no-one can
trace evidence of - a conspiracy!
So as such large
myths generally take a while to spread, propagate and be accepted
into the general population, of dickwits, the most seducing are
brought in. The females.
And, over a long
time, dissent and counter-conspiracies are born, and grow, amongst
any natural allies. If they, as a group, see they're oppressed, and
that being part of a nasty, naughty and evil plan to maintain some
elitists power, can be turned to their own advantage, then they will
dedicate themselves to taking some of the booty - power.
But, that's
merely my speculating on the rise and rise of women in the halls of
global dynastic power.
"Power
corrupts. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely!"
So too, does the
hunger for power.
And the war for
power.
Machiavellianism
gone off the rails. Badly.
Very very badly.
So everyone above
certain level of being bought off, and/or into, any such conspiracy,
soon enough loses the plot of being, remaining, [if they ever were],
balanced, honorable, stable and - sane.
Hence, todays'
zionist elites, and every greaser down the chain of toilet - er -
command and bribe-taking.
Enough.
As for your
paragraphs above....
"You have to
remember what human society was like 2000 years ago.
No electricity,
the skys above extremely clear, many spent A LOT of time not under a
roof like we do today.
No real science
short of a very very educated few.
No understanding
of just basic biology that even a Non Religious 5th grader today
would know.
A LOT of time was
spent looking at the stars and wondering just WTF .
They noticed the
obvious, the SUN maintained life, grew their crops which kept them
alive.
Thus the Sun
became "The Giver of Life"."
Yep! Agree!
Mostly.
But those
references of yours, are of the 'fallen' tribes of the Levant and
Eurape, etc, yes?
We are inclined
in our 'modern' hubris, to regard everyone before as dumb fools.
Clearly, as you
went to in an earlier comment, the 'dark ages' descended on the
'west' once christianity killed off all the ancient local Wisdom, and
'shaman' etc.
Like simpleton
detractors of passed flawed beliefs, they defer to suggesting that
"....in the past, they believed the world was flat!"
Well.., some,
did. But most would have known a little better, perhaps for living
outdoors?
So, to get to it,
I ask you to consider how People of pre-Roman, pre-colonial
Cultures, could have stayed as fit as possible, that-is that they,
like our Aborigines, could run all day and all night, live off
bugger-all water for extended periods, eat only indigenous and 'Bush
Tucker' as we call it, yet had NO cancers, colds, diseases, [to any
endemic extents], remained healthy in body and mind, and could find
exactly the most nutritious healthy foods without 'Kellogs' or 'Dow'
laboratories, AND maintained sound, balanced DEMOCRATIC government,
across some 520-plus nations [here], for some half a million years!
AND!!!! NOT ONE
OF THEM - EVER WENT TO UNIVERSITY!!!!?
By shit I laugh
at that one!
What I'm
emphasizing is, that they musta known SOMETHING?
But, along came
the christians, the branch office of the lost tribes of Israel!
Little wonder
they hunger for, conspire to fabricate, and need a fucking savior!!!!
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