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G+ Comments About 9-11
Here's a collection of comments from myself and other contributors to G+
Versus pages, going to the issues of who actually was behind the
tragic “Airplanes in Buildings Daaaaay!” 9/11, 2001.
These
are the few I selected as I contributed and kept copies. Most others
were very against the Poster's posting of this issue, still extremely
sensitive in the USA.
All
the more reason for me to follow it on this my blog. Of course.
Insults came my way, as usual, from whiteguy mainstreamers. But
thus far, I, Allen, the Poster, and the moderator, David, have held
up.
The
'thread on G+ may continue, albeit more about how and why we should
just ignore the evidence, the research, the controversy, the facts,
and get on with living BULLSHIT American lives.
I
hope I can follow, copy and post here, albeit that anyone and
everyone knows what I read, and can see for themselves, online, on
G+.
Versus - Google Plus
Allen Booth
Science - 4:27 AM
Issue: Has the world been lied to
about the scientific reasoning behind the collapse of the Twin towers
and WTC7
I believe any cynical view or claim
on this issue should be followed up with a very detailed reasoning as
to why somebody may come to such a conclusion and explain why
additional attention is absolutely necessary when contemplating these
events. As my knowledge is based on “Agreement reality”
(accepting somebody else’s word based on my own observation of
their information) I have reviewed both sides vigorously. This post
does not have anything to do with the politics behind “why”, but
just highlights some discrepancies in the science of the original
story and what we can observe personally.
The main perspectives that are
conflicting are the authorities which includes the 9/11 commission
report (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/ ) and (NIST) National
Institute of Standards and Technology (http://www.nist.gov/ ) with
the most (accredited and prestigious) opposition coming from the
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth movement (
http://www.ae911truth.org/ ) founded by Richard Gage, architect of 25
years, and member of the American Institute of Architects, and there
is also a variety of other independent journalists that have covered
it, which are unfortunately followed by a slew of counter
perspectives labeling the people who have critically questioned these
events as “conspiracy theorists” or "fear mongers".
There is a lot of “Debunking
sites” that do regurgitate the original NIST assessment such
as(http://www.debunking911.com/) and
(http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842)
but with a more slanderous appeal to the 9/11 truth movement. But
what is noticeable to everyone regardless is a conflict in the
perceived science and physics amongst many accredited professionals.
The 9/11 commission report has often
been referred to as a “political document” as there’s really
not much emphasis on science included and basically entails a story
of why and how all the events transpired and surprisingly provides no
information in regards to WTC7 the third building to fall on 9/11.
But NIST did pick that one up and according to NIST “The heat from
the uncontrolled fires caused steel floor beams and girders to
thermally expand, leading to a chain of events that caused a key
structural column to fail. The failure of this structural column then
initiated a fire-induced progressive collapse of the entire building.
According to the report's probable collapse sequence, heat from the
uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the
lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on
multiple floors.”
After taking that in and digesting
what the NIST asserts to be true take the time to review other videos
and counter perspectives and see if you can still accept this answer.
Examples of burning buildings and
other demolition
[I haven't set the links to the lines
below in yellow and shadowed. Couldn't be bothered.]
WTC Building 7
Collapse - 23 angles This is WTC7 collapse compiled from
23 different angles (as the title entails) and we’ll notice the
exact same type of collapse.
Skyscraper burns
like a torch and NO 9/11 collapse (( Gasp )) Example of a
skyscraper in china being engulfed in its entirely due to office
fires and structure of the steel never falters.
Dubai Skyscraper
Burns, Doesn't Collapse at free Fall Speed As the title
states “Dubai Skyscraper Burns, Doesn't Collapse”
Houston High-rise
Fire 8/30/10 As the title states “Houston High-rise Fire
8/30/10”
Demolition of
Skyscraper Completely unrelated example of a known
skyscraper demolition.
Precompiled and Pro New Investigation
videos from other sources
A\E911 –
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 -
AE911Truth.org Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery
of WTC 7 Publicity video.
AE911Truth
Experts Speak Out
Journalist Ben
Swann - Ben Swann Truth in Media: More Americans "Rethinking"
9/11? Ben Swann Truth in Media: More Americans
"Rethinking" 9/11? (Includes NIST perspective by head
investigator as well)
The Official
ReThink911 Video Rethink911.orgs awareness video
(Includes some excerpts from other videos)
Russia Today New
9/11 photos 'prove WTC exploded from inside' “New 9/11 photos
'prove WTC exploded from inside”
Civilian footage and other videos
Firemen Explosion
Testimony Firemen Explosion Testimony – States numerous
explosions took place
What's 9/11? Afghans never heard of NYC
terror What's 9/11? Afghans never heard of NYC terror
9/11 Experiments:
Eliminate the Impossible
Summary
My views on this subject is that
there is information being witheld from the public and my appeal rest
in the opinons of the independent speculation provided by accredited
individuals from around the world. From everything I have provided
here in this post I do not think there is anyway If you thoroughly
investigate the information provided you can get up from your
computer with a different perspective.
My
Blog-thinks, pre-posting it here....
Lots of
interest, mainly from denialist dumbies to this poster. The mass
denial herein shows to me at least the general amount and level of
fear the 9/11 “Airplanes in Buildings Day” event effected across
the USA.
Here's
what I and a few other wrote to it.
Me:
+Allen Booth
Chipping in here Allen..,
I seem to recall
a TV interview, perhaps by a 'conspiracy TV crew' with an engineer
connected to WTC7, who as I recall, said they were readying what I
thought was called 'building 10', next door to the main WTC twin
towers, for demolition prior to the event.
I recall hearing
him talk about the building being emptied of all people, and office
equipment etc, as per usual for a demolition, and the structure
fitted on all floors with the explosives for one of those typical
building demolitions, where the explosives are finely timed to go off
floor by floor bringing the whole structure down in as confined a
space [aka, in a city block location] as possible.
He said that when
the '9/11' event occurred, there was panic, and the person in charge,
made the call, and told them to 'pull it', meaning flick the switch
for the explosives.
As said, I
thought it was 'building 10', so my memory might be failing me. I'm
sure Alex will say it is.
But I've always
held skeptical views on the main 9/11 event, based on all I've
observed from the 1st news item on it I heard the morning after [I'm
in Australia].
I will not be
convinced by anyone that it was not an 'inside job' by US government,
military and crime cartels.
I expect it sent
an horrific shock through American people, such that many are really
afraid of being honest about it, and have been afraid of 'decrypting'
the news footage, the interviews, the reports which came after, and
for fear, and for a terrible 'myopia' which is the same as most
christian believers suffer, many simply do not want to think let
alone speak out about the possibility that it WAS both and inside
job, by their own [HA! NOT!] government, and as well was as much a
warning to them about the corporate-military-industrial complex which
Eisenhower warned them about, taking over, and it is now a
military-run state.
'Military-run'
being by not-friendly corporate psychopathic interests.
Those who throw
in distracting diatribes here, countering what was clearly as I put
it, a corporate inside job to justify what still prevails in the
oil-rich middle east, and the chaos designed to slow and stop the
advances in all aspects of culture and power in the rising Islamic
power houses there, are doing so for their own hidden and sorry,
cowardly, and possibly paid, christian-fundamentalist, agendas.
Some, of course,
may simply not be able to deduce simple facts from Fox-type media
bullshit.
That, latter
scenario, is how the USA is today, in general, which explains the sad
rejection of the better ideals and policies the government, trying to
be less captured by the same evil corporate power house agendas,
wanted to introduce.
The world is in a
real bad mess. Some, as if in trances of materialistic cynicism and
self-pleasure only, who may also be quite OK about taking the bribes
to do and say nothing against the tyranny, don't have that 'other'
thing some call 'conscience' or perhaps the genuine intellect to
discern for themselves that morality and ethics, of the kind which
gets us up and at any price, challenges this type of huge oppression
and control, as of value.
I think they
simply have not the mentality to see nor appreciate the worth to
themselves, let alone to the greater whole group, of going against
the popular consensus, even if it means an horrible future short and
long term.
I call them
'pretendly frenemies'.
Nobody's friend.
I didn't watch
any of your provided links about other building fires.
I followed the
events closely from here, seeing many interviews on the streets and
out front of the Pentagon.
No-one can prove
they weren't contrived, of course.
Apart from the
type which, like, from whichever suburb one of the planes flew
directly over, Brooklyn or the Bronx, a citizen caught the plane
flying over, and hitting the WTC, then one woman with him said "that
was definitely not a normal jet" or "passenger plane"
or the like.
She spoke more,
but hey, it's 13 years ago?
Another outside
of the Pentagon, some time after the 'plane hit the building, a guy
on camera said, it sounded like a rocket or something. Again, it's a
while ago. But the clear view of the point of impact at the
Pentagon, showed no signs of any large plane's wings, either on the
ground, nor of them plummeting into the side of the building.
It goes on and
on.
Donald Rumsfeld,
in the months prior, was losing popularity and many were expecting
him to be dumped as secretary of defense [?].
So my skepticism
and yes [Mel Gibson's "Conspiracy Theory" was about this
fella, me] and conspiracy theorismsss, went on high, when it was told
us that Rumsfeld was already in the building on the day, allegedly
giving a lecture, when the rocket/plane hit, and took control of the
rescue etc. He regained 'credibility' from his 'gallant' work
thereafter, and his reputation was apparently restored.
Hahahahahohohoho.
No..., it was a
terrible and no-less than evil event, so any who are not fit to face
it, are your, Americans, and the world's worst enemies.
Another
consideration regards the 'airplanes-in-buildings-day', is that on
the top floors of the WTC, were some of the most corrupting
corporations on earth headquarter offices.
I suspect their
occupying those floors, and their major corruption of all facets of
things like the Wall Street stock market/exchange, and no doubt their
influences and control throughout the corporate world and [corporate]
government of the USA, and of it's military, being so heavily
privatized, etc., but also of other leading nations in Britain and
Europe, had something to do with the attack.
It's a long and
complex history, the evolution growth and perversion of 'capitalism'
and of democratic government, thus of the people, and no one simple
explanation can tell how it works, who is whose enemy, and what is
best for everyone.
So were the
attack planned and effected by anyone inside the USA, determining
exactly why, what their reasons were, will likely never be fully
explained nor known by the vast majority.
Back in
1945-6-7-or-8, was President Eisenhower [a Jew] fully cognizant of
the good or evil of any rising military-industrial complex [M-I-C]?
Was he but a
'mainstream' capitalist - aka 'materialist' dupe, who failed to
deduce the larger dangers to the world, of an unregulated corporate
'free market' of 'no holes' barred ' free enterprise, and that the
rising M-I-C were actually far more astute to the dangers of too free
a commercial and material-consumption world?
Did 9/11 happen
because things in Wall Street were so severely tilting the global
economic, financial AND environmental 'playing field' thus the
planet's social and cultural survival, understood by the MIC, that
they knew something had to happen to change the general direction of
free enterprise?
To me, there are
too many contradictory factors to take that as a most likely
scenario.
I think it was
the insane power-and-profit crazies in the corporate world/s who were
as mad as the lot of them, atop the WTC, as well as in Washington,
Switzerland, Rome, and the Pentagon, and with all the unfathomable
'Rumsfeld-ian' 'known-knowns, known-unknowns, unknown-knowns and
unknown-unknowns' someone saw a gap in the time-space-continuum, and
made the call.
[Sorry it's so
long a diatribe, which probably informs you of nothing more?]
But, I do agree
that 9/11, being so major an event, which still influences millions,
if not more, especially in the middle east, does have to be gone
over, and the facts do have to be revisited and the truth has to be
told.
There are many
people who should be on trail and in jail for that crime against
humanity.
However I do not
rush to concluding the likes of GW Bush, are anywhere near culpable.
I think most
people know, GW was a puppet, of a much larger and far more
pernicious machine.
Who Cheney and
Rummie were controlled by...., we may never know.
But, someone
does.
Can they ever,
like Private FIRST CLASS Chelsea Manning did, put the Public Interest
ahead of their own lives and perceived freedom?
Is 'on their
deathbed' too late?
;{)
JUST DEFIANCE
Brayakooloong
Gunai Indigenous Outlaw
Australia
Michael Da Re
[Dumbie numba 1]
Yesterday 4:32 PM
+David Coulter
can you please do something about the commentator above, he's
hijacked this thread and it's spouting nonsense, he's become a
nuisance and trolling all other thread as I'm sure you are aware, can
you ban or at least delete his post.
Thanks
Max Cook
Yesterday 4:57 PM
+Michael Da Re
Are you referring
to me, Michael? Apologies if I upset you.
I'll try to
reduce my input, knowing they are very, if not too long.
Perhaps they
simply challenge the very things I see mainstream Americans suffering
from.
I'm not 'trolling
all other thread[s]', nor 'spouting nonsense'. Please be more open
to facts, thoughts, beliefs and opinions contrary to yours.
Your political
biases most likely conflict with mine.
Too bad. Grow up
and learn to live with it.
For you to react
so 'brutally' against what I've written above [assuming you are
referring to me] may indicate that you and your social group are of
that sad type I allude to above. I guess I feel sorry for them.
Allen Booth
5:23 PM
To +Max Cook
Literally nobody
that has commented on this thread has thoroughly taken the time to
review the counter perspective and have been dismissive on the basis
that it's "conspiracy jargon" with no insight to what is
being said.
I can't explain
the science behind it but the men in these videos can. My goal was to
get some people to review their perspective of the science before
providing a rebuttal.
I also to believe
it's only a matter of time until the truth is revealed on this topic.
Nothing has been provided in such a way that it actually disproves
their claims and that's all I'm really waiting for.
Max Cook
6:40 PM
To +Allen Booth
Yeah, As I
say, that event scared America. And, I doubt I provide you anything
more, but my perspective.....
To your "...a
matter of time until the truth is revealed on this topic."
I'd suggest, that
America has been so corrupted, as to shun the truth, about itself.
Another G+ page,
Atheism I think, said that some 100 million Americans are of an
aggressive christian persuasion, who deem it right to wage war
against any who disagree with their dogma, whether 'foreigners' or
Americans.
There's no doubt
'fundamentalism' of any 'cult' or religion is pernicious. But trying
to literally, 'break the spell' of that fanaticism is not easy.
I was inspired to
see over recent months, mainly on these pages, Atheism, Versus,
Thinkers, et al, that the Atheist movement per se is gaining momentum
in the US.
Inspired mainly
because it seemed that this wasn't because of any Atheist evangelism,
or proselytizing, 'bible-bashing' type stuff, but because large
numbers of 'know-not-what-they-do's' have been 'waking up' and
finding the courage or whatever to question dogma, seeing it for what
it's been - hypnotism - and thus shunning blind faith for their own
intelligence.
Christians harp
on about the 'good news' rah rah rah, but funnier it is that the REAL
Good News is them dumping the false beliefs of those cults, and
embracing the factual and scientific inquiries.
I mention this
stuff because this seems to me to be the essential America needs
before it, as a nation, will be capable of facing the facts, the
truth about the huge event on 9/11.
But clearly, to
get there, and beyond, the US cannot expect but an whole raft of
major and probably very dramatic changes to occur either
simultaneously, or from then on...
A LOT of growing
up to do, over there....
That, of course,
would have major ramifications everywhere on earth too, for the
'influences' the US has on all aspects of diplomacy, trade, culture
etc.
I see the false
god [judeo-christian] religions as completely in bed with
'capitalism'.
So were the most
fundamentalist nation - the USA - to break those spells, hopefully,
the newly awoken, will also see the negatives, the 'evils' of
crapitalism, and start using their noggins toward a much much
stronger , healthier, more peaceful Socialism?
A Socialism, I
emphasize, that does NOT reject capitalism AT ALL.
But, try convince
a Tea Bagger? Hahahoho, hoohoohoohoo!
David Coulter
Yesterday 9:11 PM
+Michael Da Re
Thanks for
notifying me. As soon as I get time this morning I'll review the
posts and determine what action is required. Thanks again!
David Coulter
Yesterday 11:00
PM
Whew ok...this
thread is pretty volatile and inflammatory...(see what I did there).
+Max Cook You
have a tendency to be unnecessarily wordy. I'll be honest...I can't
find reason to ban you, and seeing as how you did apologize...I will
not take it any further other than to say... Please try to be more
succinct with your comments. Overly lengthy comments stagnate the
discussion as they are very difficult to respond to
productively...especially in a written environment. If we continue to
get complaints from members we will have to take more drastic
actions. Thank you.
David Coulter
Yesterday 11:15
PM
+Allen Booth I
don't generally weigh in on these debates because I just don't see
much productive value to them. Let's consider for the moment that you
and the other experts are correct. What does this say about society
as a whole? If that many people are really able to be convinced to
pull off such an horrific crime against their own people, then I'm
not convinced you've shown any way to resolve this. There is
literally no government you could create or fathom that would also
not be capable of such an atrocity (at least governments run by
people any way).
You can cry for a
revolution and put new humans in power, but the accusations leveled
here show that this problem lies with humanity in general, not any
specific individuals. So even if you were correct, there's simply no
productive value in that knowledge other than...we are, as a species,
completely fucked. Gee...thanks.
So.... I'm not
(currently) trying to completely dismiss your argument. I'm just
asking... What's the point?
Max Cook
11:29 AM
+David Coulter
Agreed. Allen is
out of patience. Understandable, for the content of his denigraters
is trash, and clearly evasive of the hard, hard, very hard facts
behind the 9/11 event.
But as to Allen
insulting other posters here, I might be able to assert the same of
Michael Da Re, for example. He asserted I'm trolling other threads
also. "All others" I think he accused me of. This is not
the case, and it thence displays that HE is being somewhat
'troll-like'. I suggest you hold him on a 'warning' rather than
myself.
It's obviously a
very divisive topic especially across the US, which may or may not
warrant it be either 'constrained' on this apparently less serious,
less political, more happy-go-lucky G+ site? However..., "VERSUS"
? Does this not exist so diverse and controversial issues CAN be
aired here?
As the event did
have such an horrible impact in USA, but more in the middle east,
STILL, does Google, and/or your remit of being the moderator, rightly
take any position in this social media site, to control or put-off
'dissenting' views to the mainstream US and official government or
right wing media/public's 'belief' that it was Muslims?
On the contrary,
for Google and yourselves to show the necessary Rectitude and
Egalitarianism ["Don't be evil"], especially in such a
deadly topic, the issue should be allowed to be aired, as-it-were, on
this site.
People who do not
want to revisit 9/11 - quite understandable if they were close, or
worse, they do not have to read this thread, do they?
And, of course, I
know I'm terribly prolix. My only defense is that on such involved
issues, brevity serves as a form of censorship. However, I
acknowledge it is a failing of mine, and will try to reduce the
rabbit.
Other than that,
Allen is not crazy, nor 'deluded' as M De Ra accused me of being, and
does have legitimate points all through, so needs to be allowed to
discuss the issue, tragic as it was/is/will be for decades.
Max Cook
+Allen Booth
Valid points
Allen.
However, as David
wrote, we humans have trashed the planet, so 'why bother' pursuing
this issue?
I half agree with
him, from the "it's all a futile game/race of, 'who gets to the
end of the world FIRST!'?"
But on the other
hand, I fully agree with you, and those who recognize the ongoing
evils of those who engineered 9/11, that they do have to be brought
to some [?] court [which is NOT filthy-rotten perverse and corrupt?]
and those who made ridiculous profits from it, and from the war/s
still occurring especially in Iraq, but across the Middle East
generally.
Haliburton.
Rinca. Weapons-makers.
The west [A-herm?
The 'right-wing, spoiled classhole' west] so readily forgets that a
large number of civil wars now going on, in Africa, Asia, the
Mid-East, so many ecological disasters all over, quite deliberate
subversion of pre-colonial cultures, and the general breakdown of any
accepted difference between cultures is sponsored and driven,
motivated by the west, by the western corporate [governmental]
powers.]
David's
unnerstandable, but possibly also inexcusable, throwing of the hands
up in the air and saying 'why bother', is really sad, methinks.
Others, who are
focused on their own little illusion, inside their own little
'modern', trendoid' lunchbox, who do the same, are as much condoning
the horrors and utterly evil motives, and actions taken since at
least 2003 Iraq.
When a large
enough mass of 'voters' forchrissakes? are of the same attitude,
they're giving license to the same types of Wall
Street/Washington/London corporate demons to keep doing it.
That, is shit.
So, not having a
life, but a dedication to fighting for a more just world - trashed in
the near future or 'otherwise' - I stay with it being right for as
many as know about the nasty side of we-the-beast, to put themselves,
their ego, their hot autos and trinkets of the bullshit, plastic
superficial and really trashy life, aside, and do the right thing.
In this case, of
9/11,
1, the people
need facts. 'Life' does not survive on bullshit.
2, whether
they're intellectually, thus morally capable of consuming the facts
is irrelevant, and they have to come up to speed with 'da troof'
[keep smiling dudes] the truth, to being able to absorb it and adjust
their own outlook by the facts, so-as to work towards, at least,
living a more Honorable life from now on - if only for the kids,
3, whether they
can face it or not, the world is on the brink, of all manner of
heavy-duty changes - ecological, cultural, civil, militarist,
corporate, banking, food supply, rah rah rah and a rah, ALL CAUSED BY
THE SAME WESTERN ELITES [G'Day, uncle! (I'm related dudes. Sorry
'bout that!)].
So people fail
themselves, and the kids, if they cannot be Man/Woman HUMAN enough to
drop their bullshit indoctrinated fears, and get out, wherever
possible, ORGANIZE,the group, from yer local scouts to the unions to
the fucking car sales mongrels, to the state and federal police, to
put themselves last for once, so the lot of them/you/us, can take on
the garbage of Washington, Wall Street, Rome, Bank of England, etc,
and make the proper corrections to what we have left.
People who ignore
the Fight, for their own little egoism, are nobody's friends -
Pretendly Frenemies - and the scum on top of the pool love those
types, and thus, keep getting away with genocide of YOU, and your
kin.
So, do not get
pissed by the denialists here Allen. Stay cool.
Whether anyone
'wins' a Fight is not the issue, for our own and the larger 'soul' of
humanity.
What does matter
is that we do the science, find the facts - truth of you like - and
fearless, Fight the ignorance.
Anything less, is
betraying ourselves, our species, and, Our Ancestors!
AUM.
[SORRY! Too long
AGAIN....!]
David Coulter
2:15 PM
+Max Cook
You've
misunderstood me. I don't agree with throwing of the hands up in the
air and saying 'why bother'
I am stating that
IF I accepted +Allen Booth's position, that is really the only thing
left to do. Accepting that a government could do this to it's own
people, and recognizing that there is nothing we can do to stop
it...THEN you might as well say fuck it.
Fortunately - I
don't believe that's the case.
Max Cook
2:18 PM
+David Coulter
lol!
Max Cook
2:30 PM
+David Coulter
Yeah...
'Belief'. 'Accepted position'. '.....then there is nothing we can
do to stop it.'
Preferred
beliefs, illusions, [it's ALL illusion'], delusions.
Dad was a
Paratrooper Sar-Major. I'm built for war.
I done the
science, see the ignorance, and die Fighting the shit.
I'm cool with
that, and of others being frightened off.
As a French
President said once, "Fun! Is for fools!" And for
kids.....
Allen Booth
3:38 PM
+David Coulter
"One person
can make a difference and everyone should try" - John Kennedy
You manifest a
false dilemma that if we actually try to reveal these discrepancies
and actually bring to light whom may been responsible that life is
worthless and that if we wish to maintain the course we need to just
accept the rubber stamped story.
As I questioned
earlier do you believe that people in seats of academic authority in
universities all across the US are just irrational or just conspiracy
driven in their efforts to have a revaluation the NIST science?
Tell me there's
not any logical part in your mind that tingles when questioning who
has more reason to lie or provide a pseudo perspective. The
assessments of accredited individuals around the world with
independent achievements, or a single authority being questioned hy
multiple sources. I used ae911 as it's the best example, but
"rethink911" that the independent journalist Ben Swann
covered has their own assortment of expertise questioning their
claims.
(Off topic) I was
watching the recent Snowden interview in which he was asked "what
was your breaking point to take action" and he replied "when
the intelligence director lied directly to congress under oath. I
realized there was no turning back at this point"
Whether you wish
to accept there ill aspects of the government they are there. You can
ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring
reality.
Awareness is and
the desire to know is what this country needs. As ignorance is not
bliss, it's blistering.
Max Cook
To: +Allen
Booth
Great Allen! Top
Stuff!
Not pointing at
anyone, really, as this whole difference of preferred 'beliefs' is
far more 'cultural', than anything 'personal'.
We all got to dig
back to our earliest 'formative experiences' etc., then right through
youth and early adulthood, to divine why we choose, if we choose, one
ideal, belief, path from another.
But that's very
hard, until the first emotional, nervous or mental breakdown. Then,
if we're lucky, someone helps us to, before we go on a shooting
spree.
Here's
a beauty, thrown in from about 300 years ago, by
Thomas
Jefferson Yesterday 11:27 PM+1
Make the LIE
big......
Make it
SIMPLE............
Keep REPEATING
it....................
And eventually
THEY will believe it ..............
Adolph Hitler
The reason
History keeps repeating itself is because NOBODY KNOWS IT .
Around here, the
thread went sort-of 'ballistic' with long diatribes from both sides
refuting the others.
So, I don't put
'em in.
It's got to
finish soon. I think even Allen sees it 's a 'go nowhere'
post/thread now.
Here's another
summary of that point.
Antonio
Roji12:20 PM1
+Allen Booth you
are swiming against the stream. Most Americans believe anything their
government tells them without questioning it. Like you said, there
are hundreds of architects and engineers that have talked against the
9/11 Commission report. The are hundreds of demolition experts that
have said the towers were taken down in a controlled demolition.
Hundreds of pilots that have said the planes couldn't have done what
the government said they did and that the alleged terrorists didn't
have the ability to perform the maneuvers required to crash the
planes against the towers.
But all those
hundreds of people, maybe thousands, are called conspiracy theorists
with contempt.
America is now a
police state and Americans haven't noticed it. They don't care, they
don't give a damn. All they want is to arrive home after working 8
hours a day for a few bucks and be able to watch American Idol or
even worse, Bill O'Reilly telling them everything is OK
Max Cook
To +Antonio
Roji Well said. But I actually, from down under, wonder if most
Americans do believe their government, in versions of events such as
this one?
Most are at least
savvy enough to be very cynical of the US fed government as it's
evolved through the 20th century, as well I'd guess, of most all,
state and local council governments.
But these very
events did, I posit, really frighten the average US people, with
families etc, into accepting that 'lies rule', so lets take them on
as true, and so keep our heads down and out of the evil secret
authority's shitful eye.
I Salute Allen
for persisting, but as you say, against the tide of opinion, all, as
I say, merely wanting, as you say, to get home with a few bucks and
enough for a beer.
Doesn't mean 9/11
wasn't a 'fit-up' by any number of 'US' and/or foreign 'authorities
and forces'.
And, this site,
while good for short pithy comments, is open to anyone.
So how do we know
anyone's 'creds'?
Those who have
jobs or just somewhere to live out of the rain, are always under
threats of being kicked onto the streets, homeless, if the
'authorities' hear or read they're being toooo honest, especially in
huge issues like Dick Cheney ER? this tragic event. [Jus' Rummy-ing
around there! lol]
That the
majority, perhaps of any nation, Russia, China, Astrayliar, the USA,
Britain or Luxembourg, ETT cetera..., choose, not entirely
voluntarily, of course, 'silence' against these types of
'controversial' facts, or 'situations', shows we are, as a species,
really in deep shit.
Therefore, what
possible Value can there be in staying silent?
Life is worthless
if we are cowards and lame selfish sheep for the slaughter.
Far far better to
drop our 'possessions', [sorry for that word, and it's use by the
said 'Jesus'], 'Man-Up/Woman-Up' and take the whole shitload of
bullshit corporate, over-consumption, ill-mental and physical health,
land distribution [OOOP?] issues onto the streets of
Washingmachinetown and fight til we drop!
Better dying for
a Noble Cause than for minuscule selfish bullshit!
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